Legal Eagles Say Anchor Babies are Natural Born Citizens too
Well, with the laundry list of political legal eagles lining up to claim that anchor babies like Marco Rubio are Natural Born Citizens too, one must assume that the RNC intends to place an anchor baby on the ballot with Romney and they are prepared to burn the Constitution to do it. Apparently, they are prepared to lose in November too….
In the latest RNC effort to redefine Natural Born Citizen, clearing Rubio for the GOP ticket, once respected Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson enters the fray. Thompson wastes no time regurgitating the same lies that have protected Barack Obama from “birthers” concerned with Obama’s real birth place for four years now.
In a they did it, so can we, attempt to forever eliminate Article II Natural Born Citizen requirements for the offices of President and Vice President, Thompson repeats lies told by Heritage Foundation and left-wing lawyers for the Obama-nation in an overt attempt to silence the truth, that Marco Rubio and Barack Obama are both constitutionally ineligible for office, according to well-known constitutional history.
These legal eagles seem to have trouble defining anchor baby and Natural Born Citizen, even though the definitions and history are 100% clear on both.
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While the debate rages in the U.S. over concerns the Muslim Brotherhood could be infiltrating the government, in Egypt questions are being raised about the loyalty of those closest to the country’s Muslim Brotherhood President Mohammed Morsi.
This week, Egypt Independent translated an intriguing item from the newspaper Al-Masry Al-Youm on the controversy surrounding the citizenship of Mohammed Morsi’s children. Two of his five children were born in the U.S. when their father was studying for his doctorate at the University of Southern California and are, therefore, U.S. citizens. Despite the outcry from their father’s political opponents and a legal suit against them, they’re refusing to give it up. The paper reports:
President Morsy’s children that were born in the United States, will not give up their US citizenship because it is their personal freedom, his son Osama told Al-Masry Al-Youm.
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Same circumstances as Rubio. Maybe one day we’ll have a member of the Muslim Brotherhood sitting in the Oval Office.
Since the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not the parents, Rubio is eligible.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
Ellen, you really don’t know what Natural (a condition which exists in nature) Born Citizen means unless of a lawyers explains it to you? Since we know that McCain was not “born on US soil” how did 99 senators get it right when they confirmed McCain a Natural Born Citizen due to his US Citizen parentage?
Stop being an idiot Ellen….
Have you ever heard the word OR before? It is a useful word. It means that you can be one OR the other. Notice the use of the word OR in this:
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
So the 99 Senators were referring to the second of the two criteria, the one after the OR: birth abroad (though it could be argued that a US Naval Base is NOT abroad) to citizen parents. That does not affect the first of the two criteria, the original definition, which was “born in the jurisdiction.” Neither of the criteria, BTW, mentions that BOTH birth in the country AND birth to citizen parents are required.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
You are not going to stop posting lies here are you Ellen….
1) As every constitutionalist knows, our Constitution gives only congress law-making authority. Court opinions are just that, opinions. They do not have the constitutional power of “law.”
2) Every case, including Wong that you quote here, is a 14th Amendment case (immigration and naturalization case) pertaining to NON-Natural Born Citizens, concerning “naturalized citizenship” NOT Natural Born Citizenship.
3) as to your “or” commentary, a person can be a NATIVE citizen (soil) “OR” a Natural Born Citizen (blood). Both are “citizens” but only ONE of them can hold the office of President or Vice President, the Natural Born Citizen.
Most responsible for the total destruction of the US Constitution and our Constitutional Republic are judges and lawyers. Only idiots would trust the future of freedom and liberty to a handful of unelected and unaccountable elites seeking dominion over mankind from the bench.
The Founders all knew better and told you better repeatedly. The true meaning of Natural Born Citizen is covered fully in The Law of Nation, the point of origin. Even 99 Senators got it right regarding McCain and neither Obama or Rubio can pass the same test applied to McCain.
You are ON-RECORD repeating the lies of Heritage Foundation in the face of truth Ellen. You’re all done here…. Go back to Team Obama-Clinton.
Gee, the Heritage Foundation is lying. Who would have thought it? And Senator Fred Thompson is lying. Who would have thought it? And Tucker and Rawle were lying when they wrote in the early 1800s. Who would have thought it? And senators Hatch and Graham were lying. Who would have thought it.
Re: The Law of Nations. But neither that book nor Vattel is mentioned in the Federalist Papers, nor did the Constitution or any of the writers of the Constitution ever say that the meaning of Natural Born did not come from the common law or that it had been changed from the common law’s jus soli (location of birth) definition to one based on parents. IF they had intended to make such a change THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD US.
VERY WELL DONE BECKWITH!
This is a current demonstration of exactly why the Founders wanted ONLY Natural Born Citizens to hold the most powerful offices in our land. Obama is yet another example of why our Founders attempted to keep foreign allegiances out of our highest offices via the NBC clause.
Sadly, in the face of all evidence and truth, idiots like Ellen will continue to regurgitate lies from the lawyers they trust, all of whom have been the most dangerous to freedom and liberty throughout history.
Is Ellen smart enough to know she is lying? Or is she just a useful idiot for those seeking dominion over others?
Since she continues to lie in the face of truth, one must assume she is smart enough to know she is lying….
I believe the facts. The facts are that the writers of the Constitution did not say that they got the meaning of NBC from Vattel. In fact they did not mention him in the Federalist Papers. Therefore they got it from the commonly used phrase Natural Born, which comes from the common law, and which refers to the place of birth. I am not alone to believe that.
Rawle believed it in the early 1800s:
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
And Senators Hatch and Graham and former senator Fred Thompson and the conservative Heritage Foundation volume on the Constitution believe that today. We all believe that if the writers of the Constitution had intended to make a change in the definition of Natural Born from the commonly used meaning that they were familiar with, the jus soli meaning from the common law, THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD US. And, they didn’t.
Someone better ask them to define NATURAL, and stay on it make them look silly. Nature had nothing to do with that baby to arrive in the USA inside a foreign female container.
We don’t need the Supreme Court to define what dictionaries have been defining for centuries. NATURAL – “Pertaining to nature; produced or effected by nature, or by the laws of growth, formation or motion impressed on bodies or beings by divine power.” from Webster’s 1828 First American Dictionary. It means man cannot create it, alter it, abolish it or transfer it. It is a condition that exists in Nature, such as the bloodline of parentage and all the rights that pass through that blood.
Dream on. Courts make their decisions based on precedent, and the precedent in this case is the Wong Kim Ark ruling, which held that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law and refers to the place of birth.